so apparently on may 19 [1st day of shavuot for you jew types], moishe rosen, founder of “jews for jesus” died.
“jews for jesus”, huh? dont you just mean “christians”? cuz thats what the original christians were: practising jews who followed jc. after all it wasnt until constantine and rome got in on the action at the council of nicea that the jewish messianic cult got paganized into the religion that is the christianity of today. [ironically enough, the descendants of the ACTUAL twelve disciples were excommunicated from the church for not being “christian” enough. NEW christian, that is. interesting, no?]
at any rate, whats the problem jews have with jc anyway? And the whole “new testament” deal? well kids, thats what we’re gonna be talking about all week long, in utter disrespect of all the damage mr rosen has done. but just to catch us up to speed, here, in broad strokes, is why jews dont do the whole “son of gd” deal. [we’ll get into more detail as the week progresses].
1-talk to any hardcore christian and they’ll say that jesus fulfilled like, a billion old testament prophecies. like riding on a donkey (zech 9:9) or that he’d be born in bethlehem (micah 5:2). firstly, those aren’t messianic prophecies. why not? b/c ANYONE can do them. if i ride on a donkey, have i now fulfilled some prophecy that i’m the messiah? what if i take my pregnant wife to bethlehem just so my son can be born there? is he now a fulfiller of the prophecy?
there are only FOUR SPECIFIC messianic prophecies:
a–the messiah will gather all jews back to israel:
“Fear not, for I am with thee; I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north: ‘Give up,’ and to the south: ‘Keep not back, bring My sons from far, and My daughters from the end of the earth; “ (isa 43:5-6)
b–usher an age of world peace:
“And He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (isa 2:4)
c–spread universal knowledge of the Gd of israel:
“And the LORD shall be King over all the earth; in that day shall the LORD be One, and His name one.” (zech 14:9)
d-build the third temple:
“Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them–it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.” (ez 37:26-28)
clearly, NONE of these have happened. in fact, the last of those is actually IMPOSSIBLE to have been fulfilled, seeing as how the second temple was still standing during jc’s concert tour.
“but—but, he fulfilled all those OTHER prophecies! How can you ignore that??”
imagine you’re a student in a college class. you’ve failed said class. you ask the professor why. the professor reminds you that the midterm was 25% of ur grade, the final was 25%, and two term papers were 50%. you didnt do any of them. but, you say, you DID do all the readings and participated in class and did all the homework and helped the professor tidy up the room and take his stuff back to his office for him everyday. which is great. and ur a really swell guy. but that isn’t what ur grade was based on. its based on those things that you did none of.
“but—but, there’s the second coming!”
yeh…much like that class again…the point is to get things done the FIRST time around…
2-the messiah is supposed to be a descendant of david…which is impossible if your dad is GD.
“And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a twig shall grow forth out of his roots. And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD. And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; “ (isa 11:1-3)
“The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, as long as men come to Shiloh; and unto him shall the obedience of the peoples be. “ (gen 49:10)
3-the “virgin birth” and “suffering servant” passages that “describe” jc and his birth are gross mistranslations and out of context applications….which is what happens when you translate something from hebrew into greek…wrong. [but more on this in later posts].
4-Gd is not a man. jc is not Gd. jc cannot BE Gd b/c firstly, he’s a man, and secondly, he’s born of a mortal woman:
“God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good? “ (numbers 23:19)
also even if jc WAS Gd, he’d never be able to have any disciples or talk to ppl, ever. b/c theyd all instantly die:
“And He said: ‘Thou canst not see My face, for man shall not see Me and live.’ “ (exodus 33:20)
5-jews believe that the messiah is just a man, not some metahuman/mutant/demigod dealie. jc flies in the face of that. and sure you could say that the jewish interpretation of what the messiah is isnt necessarily accurate, excpet for the fact that the concept of a messiah is a jewish concept. which mean jews get to define it, not anyone else. thats like telling martin scorcese what HE meant by the tracking shot in the restasurant scene in “goodfellas”. only HE gets to tell you what it actually means since he’s the one who did it, so he knows EXACTLY why he did it. ur speculations are nice, but they’re not the actual meaning….thats almost like telling the descendants of the original twelve dudes that they’re practising their own religion wrong when THEYRE the ones who came up with it…wait…that happened already…
anyhoo that is all for now. digest it. mull it around. we’ll be back for more tomorrow.
part three: diabetics for sugar
part four: amish for technology
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6 thoughts on “blacks for slavery”
Most of the theology of today’s Christianity is the beliefs of one man. St. Paul.
He wasn’t one of the 12 disciples, yet his beliefs and teachings basically founded the religion we know today.
you might be interested in Philip Pullman’s latest, ‘The Good Man Jesus and The Scoundrel Christ’. It is historical fiction at it’s best.
I, in a history nerd sense, am fascinated by the “early church” (as they say now) and the “historical Jesus” (as they say now).
Look forward to more reading.
well that DOES sound interesting…
Good to see/read you again. Always food for thought.
How does your view of Messiah comply with Moshiach ben Yosef, the suffering servant?
dont worry. ill get there