shout out to prodezra for the title. [who’s prodezra, you ask? well, this guy. remember the y-love video “change”? that was him.also, i was in that video. see if you can spot me.].
anyhoo.
last time we covered why jc cant be a prophet. now let’s talk about why he cant be the messiah. genetically.
as we mentioned before, the messiah is a descendent of david and solomon on his father’s side. this is impossible if, as christians claim, jc’s father was Gd.obviously this a known and important point, seeing as how both luke and matthew try to legitimize jc’s bloodline. however, as with a lot of nt things, the two genealogoies conflict with each other:
“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her [that had been the wife] of Urias;And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are] fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ [are] fourteen generations.” [matt 1:1-17].
“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,Which was [the son] of Matthat, which was [the son] of Levi, which was [the son] of Melchi, which was [the son] of Janna, which was [the son] of Joseph,Which was [the son] of Mattathias, which was [the son] of Amos, which was [the son] of Naum, which was [the son] of Esli, which was [the son] of Nagge,Which was [the son] of Maath, which was [the son] of Mattathias, which was [the son] of Semei, which was [the son] of Joseph, which was [the son] of Juda,Which was [the son] of Joanna, which was [the son] of Rhesa, which was [the son] of Zorobabel, which was [the son] of Salathiel, which was [the son] of Neri,Which was [the son] of Melchi, which was [the son] of Addi, which was [the son] of Cosam, which was [the son] of Elmodam, which was [the son] of Er,Which was [the son] of Jose, which was [the son] of Eliezer, which was [the son] of Jorim, which was [the son] of Matthat, which was [the son] of Levi,Which was [the son] of Simeon, which was [the son] of Juda, which was [the son] of Joseph, which was [the son] of Jonan, which was [the son] of Eliakim,Which was [the son] of Melea, which was [the son] of Menan, which was [the son] of Mattatha, which was [the son] of Nathan, which was [the son] of David,Which was [the son] of Jesse, which was [the son] of Obed, which was [the son] of Booz, which was [the son] of Salmon, which was [the son] of Naasson,Which was [the son] of Aminadab, which was [the son] of Aram, which was [the son] of Esrom, which was [the son] of Phares, which was [the son] of Juda,Which was [the son] of Jacob, which was [the son] of Isaac, which was [the son] of Abraham, which was [the son] of Thara, which was [the son] of Nachor,Which was [the son] of Saruch, which was [the son] of Ragau, which was [the son] of Phalec, which was [the son] of Heber, which was [the son] of Sala,Which was [the son] of Cainan, which was [the son] of Arphaxad, which was [the son] of Sem, which was [the son] of Noe, which was [the son] of Lamech,Which was [the son] of Mathusala, which was [the son] of Enoch, which was [the son] of Jared, which was [the son] of Maleleel, which was [the son] of Cainan,Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.” [luke 3:23-38]
now the typical christian response is that the genealogy in matthew’s is joseph’s and the one in luke is mary’s. however, there is completely no basis for this in the text as the geneology in luke specifically states “And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,Which was [the son] of Matthat…” where exactly does mary fit in there? and what example has there been EVER of a woman’s genealogy being expressed under the name of her husband, as some christians will claim?
aside from the obvious discrepancies [joseph is the son of jacob according to matthew, but the son of heli according to luke, matthew tells us there are exactly three sets of 14 generations from abraham to jc but both the ot AND luke genealogy clearly reveal that matthew leaves out several generations in his listing], lets deal with the ones directly affecting jc’s claims to messiahhood:
1-joseph has a cursed king in his line. BAM! money shot. that’s right:
“and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren” [matt 1:10-11]
the problem is…:
“[As] I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;…[Is] this man Coniah a despised broken idol? [is he] a vessel wherein [is] no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD.Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man [that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.”[jer 22:24,28-30]
firstly, just to clarify, matthew executes a little bit of [deliberate?] confusion by omitting jehoakim btw josiah and jeconiah. [i.e., josiah is the father of jehoakim, and JEHOAKIM is the father of jeconiah]. however, jeconiah/coniah is indeed the same coniah of the jeremiah verse above who reigned in judah “about the time they were carried away to Babylon”. [see all of these 1st Chronicles 3:15-19, 2nd Kings 24:6-17, Esther 2:6, Jer 22:24-30, 24:1, 27:20, 37:1.]
at any rate, the whole “no man of his seed shall prosper…ruling in judah” bit is pretty definitive. if jc is tracing his lineage through joseph, then he’s got not shot at all of being the messiah on account of the curse.
2-jc is adopted. christians try to have their cake and eat it too with this one. the claim is that since jc’s father is Gd and he was only ADOPTED by joseph, he is therefore exempt from the curse, since the curse is on jeconiah’s “seed”…which likewise mean he CAN’T claim descendancy from david either because…:
“And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” [2 sam 7:12-23]
so if jc is capable of inheriting joseph’s line, then he also inherits the curse. if he is not capable of inherting the line b/c he is not “seed”, then he has no claim to being a descendant of david and thus cannot claim to be the messiah.
3-even if the genealogy in luke is mary’s, she’s a woman and cant pass on tribal affiliation. tribal affiliations are counted through paternal lines:
“And they assembled all the congregation together on the first [day] of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.” [num 1:18 see also ex 28:4,29:9-30,30:30,40:15, num 36, gen 49:10,1 kings 11:4,1 chronicles 17:11-19].
a more practical example of such is when queen athaliah wants to annihilate david’s royal line. [2 kings 11, 2 chron 22] she only kills the males. why? b/c female descendant can’t pass on the claim to the throne.
4-now even if mary COULD pass on the lineage to david, she’s descended from the wrong son. the line of the messiah goes through david AND solomon:
“Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.” [1 chron 22:9-10]
but mary is descended from david’s son nathan.
“which was [the son] of Nathan, which was [the son] of David”
[also note that Gd calls solomon his “son” even though solomon was physically born of david and bathsheba, thereby debunking any christian claims that any bible verses referring to Gd saying someone is his son is a prophecy for jc or means that he actually PHYSICALLY fathers them.]
and if THAT isn’t enough, take a look at that luke genealogy again:
“which was [the son] of Zorobabel, which was [the son] of Salathiel”
look! it’s zerubabel and salathiel, those same two blokes from matthew….:
“Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel”
which means–THAT’S RIGHT!–mary is ALSO descended from the cursed jeconiah. and once again, if she is able to pass down the lineage, then that means she’s also passing that pesky curse too.
alrighty then. we’re almost done.
part three: diabetics for sugar
part four: amish for technology
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